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		<title>By: Hige</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2009/04/19/embracing-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30980</link>
		<dc:creator>Hige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny - a lot of what you mention here could be applied to Sky Crawlers. I wouldn&#039;t necessarily link the two films on first glance, but thematically they share an awful lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny &#8211; a lot of what you mention here could be applied to Sky Crawlers. I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily link the two films on first glance, but thematically they share an awful lot.</p>
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		<title>By: qwertypoiuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>qwertypoiuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry off topic
but I dont know where to comment on your side bar

you like sports anime
really you should hurry and watch slam dunk

as for ANN reviews
I really have never liked their reviews ,I find all of them to be bad
specially after the hilarious HxH 1st DVD reveiew

I will give him that HxH really starts slowly ,but he made a compared HxH as a whole to naruto after watching only 15 episodes ,I call that unprofessional

as much as I like naruto,the difference in quality is as day and night
imo HxH quality&gt;berserk

and I just cant wait for the reviewer to watch the rest of HxH to laugh at himself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry off topic<br />
but I dont know where to comment on your side bar</p>
<p>you like sports anime<br />
really you should hurry and watch slam dunk</p>
<p>as for ANN reviews<br />
I really have never liked their reviews ,I find all of them to be bad<br />
specially after the hilarious HxH 1st DVD reveiew</p>
<p>I will give him that HxH really starts slowly ,but he made a compared HxH as a whole to naruto after watching only 15 episodes ,I call that unprofessional</p>
<p>as much as I like naruto,the difference in quality is as day and night<br />
imo HxH quality&gt;berserk</p>
<p>and I just cant wait for the reviewer to watch the rest of HxH to laugh at himself</p>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2009/04/19/embracing-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30743</link>
		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@coburn: Thanks! The movie is well worth watching again, Oshii&#039;s style is such that every frame is crammed full of ideas and feeling, and, perhaps, a lot of it is noticable only on second, third, or even fourth viewings. 

I guess you&#039;re seeing Kusanagi&#039;s end as more of a resignation than an escape? I suppose I don&#039;t think (or don&#039;t want to think) she&#039;s given up on life, she just wants to feel something that proves she is alive, which is kind of where I&#039;m drawing allusions to Oshii himself, who, I think, was using her as a means of understanding his own spiritual unease.

@Martin: Yeah, it was Ghost in the Shell 2.0, but to be honest, the new style didn&#039;t convince me. In some sections, they&#039;ve gone the full CG route with the Major, and she looks fairly unnatural/Appleseed-esque, which is at odds with the rest of the more &#039;flat&#039; animation. It doesn&#039;t look right at all; it&#039;s a bit like George Lucas going back and adding new footage to Star Wars-- looks alright at the time, but a few years later, the CG will have dated. The original film has a perfect aesthetic anyway.

@Ivy: Good luck! Ghost in the Shell is possibly the perfect marriage of Oshii&#039;s introspective style and pure exciting entertainment, the film is so tight and well crafted, it just effortlessly passes from scene to scene. No time wasting, just a long natural progression from A to B. That said, I basically know this movie inside-out by now, so I might be a bit biased!

@ghostlightning/Anyone: I&#039;ve always wondered, how does the GITS manga compares to the movie? I&#039;ve often considered the film more of Oshii&#039;s work than Masamune Shirow&#039;s. I get that the general themes are probably the same, but I wonder if, for example, the diving scene is in the manga too?

@okiru14: Thanks, it&#039;s nice to know I&#039;m not alone in my thoughts on the film (and nice to hear from you again, too). I guess I found this to be a fairly difficult/complex thing to write about, and I was anxious to see whether I was going in the right direction or not.

@ETERNAL: Thanks also. I think a big part of understanding the film is understanding Mamoru Oshii. I wish more information about anime directors (and creators in general) was more readily available. Guys like Oshii and Hosada (The Girl Who Leapt Through Time) have some fantastic back-stories to their careers in anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@coburn: Thanks! The movie is well worth watching again, Oshii&#8217;s style is such that every frame is crammed full of ideas and feeling, and, perhaps, a lot of it is noticable only on second, third, or even fourth viewings. </p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re seeing Kusanagi&#8217;s end as more of a resignation than an escape? I suppose I don&#8217;t think (or don&#8217;t want to think) she&#8217;s given up on life, she just wants to feel something that proves she is alive, which is kind of where I&#8217;m drawing allusions to Oshii himself, who, I think, was using her as a means of understanding his own spiritual unease.</p>
<p>@Martin: Yeah, it was Ghost in the Shell 2.0, but to be honest, the new style didn&#8217;t convince me. In some sections, they&#8217;ve gone the full CG route with the Major, and she looks fairly unnatural/Appleseed-esque, which is at odds with the rest of the more &#8216;flat&#8217; animation. It doesn&#8217;t look right at all; it&#8217;s a bit like George Lucas going back and adding new footage to Star Wars&#8211; looks alright at the time, but a few years later, the CG will have dated. The original film has a perfect aesthetic anyway.</p>
<p>@Ivy: Good luck! Ghost in the Shell is possibly the perfect marriage of Oshii&#8217;s introspective style and pure exciting entertainment, the film is so tight and well crafted, it just effortlessly passes from scene to scene. No time wasting, just a long natural progression from A to B. That said, I basically know this movie inside-out by now, so I might be a bit biased!</p>
<p>@ghostlightning/Anyone: I&#8217;ve always wondered, how does the GITS manga compares to the movie? I&#8217;ve often considered the film more of Oshii&#8217;s work than Masamune Shirow&#8217;s. I get that the general themes are probably the same, but I wonder if, for example, the diving scene is in the manga too?</p>
<p>@okiru14: Thanks, it&#8217;s nice to know I&#8217;m not alone in my thoughts on the film (and nice to hear from you again, too). I guess I found this to be a fairly difficult/complex thing to write about, and I was anxious to see whether I was going in the right direction or not.</p>
<p>@ETERNAL: Thanks also. I think a big part of understanding the film is understanding Mamoru Oshii. I wish more information about anime directors (and creators in general) was more readily available. Guys like Oshii and Hosada (The Girl Who Leapt Through Time) have some fantastic back-stories to their careers in anime.</p>
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		<title>By: ETERNAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETERNAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. I watched Ghost in the Shell a couple years ago, and while I think I grasped the overall, general, and fairly blatant meaning involving the true definition of a person and a &quot;soul,&quot; I think you just pinpointed what I&#039;ve been looking for. At least with respect to the movie, your analysis appears to succeed in explaining a few nuances of the themes; things that I had seen distantly but was never able to put my finger on. I always knew the franchise was good, but I think I can now see it in a far clearer light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. I watched Ghost in the Shell a couple years ago, and while I think I grasped the overall, general, and fairly blatant meaning involving the true definition of a person and a &#8220;soul,&#8221; I think you just pinpointed what I&#8217;ve been looking for. At least with respect to the movie, your analysis appears to succeed in explaining a few nuances of the themes; things that I had seen distantly but was never able to put my finger on. I always knew the franchise was good, but I think I can now see it in a far clearer light.</p>
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		<title>By: okiru14</title>
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		<dc:creator>okiru14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insights!  I&#039;ve also enjoyed this movie a few times over the years and seen different things at different times.  I think your thoughts about the exploration of the soul and free will are right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insights!  I&#8217;ve also enjoyed this movie a few times over the years and seen different things at different times.  I think your thoughts about the exploration of the soul and free will are right on.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthfully, I never got as much as you did from the film. The film gave me great mood and atmosphere, a visually rich Hong Kong setting [&lt;a href=&quot;http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/gits-hkg/&quot; title=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;-&gt;&lt;/a&gt;], and an awesome mecha fight [&lt;a href=&quot;http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/gits-tank-fight/&quot; title=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;-&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]. The insights you got, I got out of the superlative manga.

I should qualify, I did got something like it from the film. After all, the Major&#039;s final transformation drove everything home quite strongly. But the rich concept and even more solid grounding in the setting I recommend the manga. I&#039;ve been told that &lt;i&gt;Stand Alone Complex&lt;/i&gt; blends both superlatively, but I had not been able to stay interested in the TV anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthfully, I never got as much as you did from the film. The film gave me great mood and atmosphere, a visually rich Hong Kong setting [<a href="http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/gits-hkg/" title="blank" rel="nofollow">-&gt;</a>], and an awesome mecha fight [<a href="http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/gits-tank-fight/" title="blank" rel="nofollow">-&gt;</a>]. The insights you got, I got out of the superlative manga.</p>
<p>I should qualify, I did got something like it from the film. After all, the Major&#8217;s final transformation drove everything home quite strongly. But the rich concept and even more solid grounding in the setting I recommend the manga. I&#8217;ve been told that <i>Stand Alone Complex</i> blends both superlatively, but I had not been able to stay interested in the TV anime.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post as usual :) 
Kusanagi has been quite an iconic character. I see her all over the place. 
To be completely honest though I&#039;ve avoided GiTs cause I keep on hearing that Oshii seems to delve into sci-fi gibberish more times than not. I used to have a very bad tendency of creating and formulating my own closure for a show if it gets too hard to understand.  Thats a few years back though, so I think I&#039;m finally ready for some Crazy Oshii directing :P heres hoping I don&#039;t end up butchering GiTs ending with one of my crazy hypothetical what ifs :P hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post as usual <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Kusanagi has been quite an iconic character. I see her all over the place.<br />
To be completely honest though I&#8217;ve avoided GiTs cause I keep on hearing that Oshii seems to delve into sci-fi gibberish more times than not. I used to have a very bad tendency of creating and formulating my own closure for a show if it gets too hard to understand.  Thats a few years back though, so I think I&#8217;m finally ready for some Crazy Oshii directing <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  heres hoping I don&#8217;t end up butchering GiTs ending with one of my crazy hypothetical what ifs <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  hehe</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review - it reminds me of how much I enjoyed it too. I don&#039;t suppose this is the latest &#039;remastered&#039; version you&#039;re talking about here? I still think that, after all these years, it&#039;s a wonderful looking film so I&#039;d be curious to see how much of a difference the revamped footage has made.

I guess these issues have been covered a lot in science fiction since the first GitS movie came out but I remember being enthralled by the the Major&#039;s inner doubts and so on from the first time I watched it, and still find it fascinating. Innocence didn&#039;t strike such a good balance between the action and philosophy, but this one still gets the right mixture of head-scratching and butt-kicking.

Angel&#039;s Egg is...interesting. I think I still have a fansub of it on a CD-R somewhere but beyond it looking gorgeous I didn&#039;t get much out of it from a thematic or storyline point of view. Maybe I ought to give it a second look after sampling more of Oshii&#039;s style of direction since then. After I&#039;ve seen the Sky Crawlers too, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review &#8211; it reminds me of how much I enjoyed it too. I don&#8217;t suppose this is the latest &#8216;remastered&#8217; version you&#8217;re talking about here? I still think that, after all these years, it&#8217;s a wonderful looking film so I&#8217;d be curious to see how much of a difference the revamped footage has made.</p>
<p>I guess these issues have been covered a lot in science fiction since the first GitS movie came out but I remember being enthralled by the the Major&#8217;s inner doubts and so on from the first time I watched it, and still find it fascinating. Innocence didn&#8217;t strike such a good balance between the action and philosophy, but this one still gets the right mixture of head-scratching and butt-kicking.</p>
<p>Angel&#8217;s Egg is&#8230;interesting. I think I still have a fansub of it on a CD-R somewhere but beyond it looking gorgeous I didn&#8217;t get much out of it from a thematic or storyline point of view. Maybe I ought to give it a second look after sampling more of Oshii&#8217;s style of direction since then. After I&#8217;ve seen the Sky Crawlers too, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: coburn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a terrific post - it suddenly makes me want to see this film a second time. Personally I&#039;d taken the end of Ghost in the Shell as being somewhat deterministic. Perhaps because I didn&#039;t empathise much with The Major, her embrace of the machine felt like an inevitability rather than a gesture of free will. Unable to forge her life into a meaningful narrative the only meaning left to her was the undeniable imperative of material progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a terrific post &#8211; it suddenly makes me want to see this film a second time. Personally I&#8217;d taken the end of Ghost in the Shell as being somewhat deterministic. Perhaps because I didn&#8217;t empathise much with The Major, her embrace of the machine felt like an inevitability rather than a gesture of free will. Unable to forge her life into a meaningful narrative the only meaning left to her was the undeniable imperative of material progress.</p>
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