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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-14796</link>
		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fansubs of &lt;b&gt;Genius Party&lt;/b&gt; have just been released. Get them now, guys, it&#039;s a proper anthology.</description>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-14236</link>
		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hige: Some of the animation is beautiful, but some of it isn&#039;t. Surprisingly, Production I.G&#039;s contributions are rather poor in comparison to Madhouse and Studio 4C&#039;s efforts, despite them having slightly more experience of theatrical anime with the likes of Ghost in the Shell.

Also, I don&#039;t think the Wachowski Brothers became anime fans after The Animatrix, rather I think they were rather huge fans before hand and pushed to produce it out of a desire to promote anime in the West. That&#039;s probably why they managed to attract so many big names to direct too. In comparison, all the directors used for Gotham Knight were relative newbies, character designers and animation directors.

@Wildcard: I know, I was disappointed too. I&#039;m not so pig-headed to assume that you absolutely won&#039;t enjoy it, and I guess a lot of it depends on whether or not you&#039;re really excited about Batman as a character. As far as I&#039;m concerned, it could of been so much better, and it&#039;s fairly &quot;decent&quot;, but never approaches the quality of The Animatrix.

@ThatQuebecGuy: If it was as good as the Animatrix, I think it could have done *something* to conceive, maybe, a couple more thousands anime fans, which is always a good thing. That this is finding its way into the hands of &#039;non&#039; fans is quite important, so it&#039;s just a shame that they couldn&#039;t have produced something with a little more depth. Also, I know what you mean about scorning substance if it means being able to enjoy a great visual style, but something about this is inescapable empty, both in terms of style and substance, it just doesn&#039;t &#039;ring true&#039; in the way that something like &quot;Comedy&quot; or &quot;Beyond&quot; does, as if there&#039;s a clinical disconnect between the show and any semblance of human emotion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hige: Some of the animation is beautiful, but some of it isn&#8217;t. Surprisingly, Production I.G&#8217;s contributions are rather poor in comparison to Madhouse and Studio 4C&#8217;s efforts, despite them having slightly more experience of theatrical anime with the likes of Ghost in the Shell.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think the Wachowski Brothers became anime fans after The Animatrix, rather I think they were rather huge fans before hand and pushed to produce it out of a desire to promote anime in the West. That&#8217;s probably why they managed to attract so many big names to direct too. In comparison, all the directors used for Gotham Knight were relative newbies, character designers and animation directors.</p>
<p>@Wildcard: I know, I was disappointed too. I&#8217;m not so pig-headed to assume that you absolutely won&#8217;t enjoy it, and I guess a lot of it depends on whether or not you&#8217;re really excited about Batman as a character. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it could of been so much better, and it&#8217;s fairly &#8220;decent&#8221;, but never approaches the quality of The Animatrix.</p>
<p>@ThatQuebecGuy: If it was as good as the Animatrix, I think it could have done *something* to conceive, maybe, a couple more thousands anime fans, which is always a good thing. That this is finding its way into the hands of &#8216;non&#8217; fans is quite important, so it&#8217;s just a shame that they couldn&#8217;t have produced something with a little more depth. Also, I know what you mean about scorning substance if it means being able to enjoy a great visual style, but something about this is inescapable empty, both in terms of style and substance, it just doesn&#8217;t &#8216;ring true&#8217; in the way that something like &#8220;Comedy&#8221; or &#8220;Beyond&#8221; does, as if there&#8217;s a clinical disconnect between the show and any semblance of human emotion.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatQuebecGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-14042</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatQuebecGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To hell with substance, give me stupid, violent and extreme any day! Seriously, am I the only one who&#039;s sold on the idea of stylish 10 to 12 minutes animated shorts alone? That&#039;s already better than majority of anime we get every years! Still, you&#039;re right it is wasted potential, but even if it achieved that said potential, I really wonder if it would have changed anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To hell with substance, give me stupid, violent and extreme any day! Seriously, am I the only one who&#8217;s sold on the idea of stylish 10 to 12 minutes animated shorts alone? That&#8217;s already better than majority of anime we get every years! Still, you&#8217;re right it is wasted potential, but even if it achieved that said potential, I really wonder if it would have changed anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Wildcard</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-13540</link>
		<dc:creator>Wildcard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really too bad, I was so excited when I first saw it&#039;s fluid animation and anime inspired designs; I&#039;ve been wondering what such aesthetics could bring to Batman - it&#039;s shame to hear it does so little. Still, sooner or later I&#039;ll check for myself. Lots of people hated the animatrix but  I found it to be largely decent (Second Renaissance stunned me, making up for the less imaginative episodes).

Perhaps the directors were restricted by the Batman concept? Such a popular franchise may be difficult to expand on, too much expansion and imagination could contradict something and annoy western sponsers. At any rate, I feel really let down to hear it couldn&#039;t take anything further than the moderate success of The Animatrix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really too bad, I was so excited when I first saw it&#8217;s fluid animation and anime inspired designs; I&#8217;ve been wondering what such aesthetics could bring to Batman &#8211; it&#8217;s shame to hear it does so little. Still, sooner or later I&#8217;ll check for myself. Lots of people hated the animatrix but  I found it to be largely decent (Second Renaissance stunned me, making up for the less imaginative episodes).</p>
<p>Perhaps the directors were restricted by the Batman concept? Such a popular franchise may be difficult to expand on, too much expansion and imagination could contradict something and annoy western sponsers. At any rate, I feel really let down to hear it couldn&#8217;t take anything further than the moderate success of The Animatrix.</p>
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		<title>By: Hige</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-13523</link>
		<dc:creator>Hige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the Animatrix&#039;s success has something to do with the Wachowski Brothers&#039; obvious admiration for anime in their work? Their world probably lends itself better to the pervading themes in anime, which in turn allowed for more imagination and substance when it came to anime types having a crack at it. The only major similarity I can draw between Batman and anime is the &#039;atmosphere&#039;, which is tenuous at best and generally a bit superficial. 

I guess this was just a shrewd form of marketing. A disappointing missed opportunity, but not much of a surprise. If the animation is beautiful then it will be worth the download for me. :x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Animatrix&#8217;s success has something to do with the Wachowski Brothers&#8217; obvious admiration for anime in their work? Their world probably lends itself better to the pervading themes in anime, which in turn allowed for more imagination and substance when it came to anime types having a crack at it. The only major similarity I can draw between Batman and anime is the &#8216;atmosphere&#8217;, which is tenuous at best and generally a bit superficial. </p>
<p>I guess this was just a shrewd form of marketing. A disappointing missed opportunity, but not much of a surprise. If the animation is beautiful then it will be worth the download for me. <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':x' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: qwertypoiuy</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-13511</link>
		<dc:creator>qwertypoiuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bateszi 
thanks bateszi
 i am always here reading your posts
i was going to ask about one piece nice to find that you will write about it and even better that you might start HxH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bateszi<br />
thanks bateszi<br />
 i am always here reading your posts<br />
i was going to ask about one piece nice to find that you will write about it and even better that you might start HxH</p>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-13501</link>
		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sy: Though The Animatrix had its fair share of misses (Final Flight of the Osiris to name but one), the best episodes are definitely rewatchable, especially in comparison to Gotham Knight. After writing this, I headed over to YouTube and rewatched Ã¢â‚¬ËœThe Second RenaissanceÃ¢â‚¬Ëœ and Ã¢â‚¬ËœKid&#039;s StoryÃ¢â‚¬Ëœ and I think you&#039;d be surprised at just how well they hold-up outside of the &#039;Matrix&#039; context. In particular, &#039;Second Renaissance&#039; is a totally chilling piece of work that&#039;s far more disturbing than I remembered it to be:

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@Kim: Exactly. That the Gotham Knight is mediocre is fair enough. Usually I just ignore the stuff I&#039;m not interested in, but what&#039;s frustrating for me is that it&#039;s this kind of thing that influences the public perception of anime, and therefore, it just smacks of a missed opportunity. There&#039;s so much they could do with this, so much they could do to showcase the diversity of anime, yet its just the same old cliches again and again. I, for one, would have loved to have seen what the staff working on Baccano! might contributed to this, but no, instead we get the faux-Ninja Scroll anime again. Baccano! doing Batman would be awesome! :)

@qwertypoiuy: Hey, long time no see! I&#039;m hoping to write a One Piece post at some point in July. Might finally get around to Hunter X Hunter too! :D

@dengar: Rental is a good idea. If you&#039;re a big fan of Batman you might like it a bit more than I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sy: Though The Animatrix had its fair share of misses (Final Flight of the Osiris to name but one), the best episodes are definitely rewatchable, especially in comparison to Gotham Knight. After writing this, I headed over to YouTube and rewatched Ã¢â‚¬ËœThe Second RenaissanceÃ¢â‚¬Ëœ and Ã¢â‚¬ËœKid&#8217;s StoryÃ¢â‚¬Ëœ and I think you&#8217;d be surprised at just how well they hold-up outside of the &#8216;Matrix&#8217; context. In particular, &#8216;Second Renaissance&#8217; is a totally chilling piece of work that&#8217;s far more disturbing than I remembered it to be:</p>
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<p>@Kim: Exactly. That the Gotham Knight is mediocre is fair enough. Usually I just ignore the stuff I&#8217;m not interested in, but what&#8217;s frustrating for me is that it&#8217;s this kind of thing that influences the public perception of anime, and therefore, it just smacks of a missed opportunity. There&#8217;s so much they could do with this, so much they could do to showcase the diversity of anime, yet its just the same old cliches again and again. I, for one, would have loved to have seen what the staff working on Baccano! might contributed to this, but no, instead we get the faux-Ninja Scroll anime again. Baccano! doing Batman would be awesome! <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@qwertypoiuy: Hey, long time no see! I&#8217;m hoping to write a One Piece post at some point in July. Might finally get around to Hunter X Hunter too! <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@dengar: Rental is a good idea. If you&#8217;re a big fan of Batman you might like it a bit more than I did.</p>
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		<title>By: dengar</title>
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		<dc:creator>dengar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how one of the vignettes is just a redo of a Batman the animate series episode (the one where each kid describes seeing batman).  Except that episode was good and from what I&#039;ve heard of this, not so much.  Whatever, that&#039;s what netflix is for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how one of the vignettes is just a redo of a Batman the animate series episode (the one where each kid describes seeing batman).  Except that episode was good and from what I&#8217;ve heard of this, not so much.  Whatever, that&#8217;s what netflix is for.</p>
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		<title>By: qwertypoiuy</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2008/07/09/batman-gotham-knight-isnt-as-good-as-the-animatrix/#comment-13413</link>
		<dc:creator>qwertypoiuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i liked the first fot its idea
liked Ã¢â‚¬ËœIn Darkness Dwells for its animation and music

thats all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i liked the first fot its idea<br />
liked Ã¢â‚¬ËœIn Darkness Dwells for its animation and music</p>
<p>thats all</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably shouldn&#039;t judge something without seeing it but this seemed to me to be the type of production that is all about the style and not the substance. Then again I actually felt the same way about Animatrix so I was never really interested in this.

But I agree with you that titles like this do lead to more stereotypes. For one thing I think too many non-anime fans think anime is all about the look and its &quot;cool&quot; factor. They don&#039;t realize how many genres anime covers, how many target audiences it reaches and in fact there isn&#039;t one style that defines anime. 

I don&#039;t care that people enjoy this because hey everyone has different tastes but I do think it is  a shame that something like this will get seen by so many more people than so many more worthwhile anime series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably shouldn&#8217;t judge something without seeing it but this seemed to me to be the type of production that is all about the style and not the substance. Then again I actually felt the same way about Animatrix so I was never really interested in this.</p>
<p>But I agree with you that titles like this do lead to more stereotypes. For one thing I think too many non-anime fans think anime is all about the look and its &#8220;cool&#8221; factor. They don&#8217;t realize how many genres anime covers, how many target audiences it reaches and in fact there isn&#8217;t one style that defines anime. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care that people enjoy this because hey everyone has different tastes but I do think it is  a shame that something like this will get seen by so many more people than so many more worthwhile anime series.</p>
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