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	<title>Comments on: The difference between original anime and manga adaptations: soul</title>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2007/06/23/the-difference-between-original-anime-and-manga-adaptations-soul/#comment-23288</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Claymore, yeah it&#039;s a little slow and sometimes very monochrome but when I think of the world of Claymore it seems appropriate what with it&#039;s undertones of &#039;grey misery. :p I&#039;ve read most of the manga and still enjoying it, because there&#039;s so much going on, and I just tend to like stories with subplots, provided they&#039;re all linked to the main one. Monster was another slow one many sublplots but with both once the action started it really kicked off; moments of stillness and the sudden rush of blood and violence. LOL at Clare&#039;s interests being elsewhere. Don&#039;t tell the Galatea fanboys, I don&#039;t think they could bear it if her interests were also &#039;elsewhere&#039;. XD With the manga the fight scenes were good but the fight between Teresa, Irene, Priscilla, Noel and Sophia I loved. Irene&#039;s fighting style really comes to life on screen. There&#039;s only so much you can do with a pen. 

I&#039;m of the opinion that if I love the manga and there&#039;s a anime adaptation out there I&#039;ll give it a go. I know there&#039;ll be sometimes little changes here and there; certain things said by characters omitted - the Claymore ep The Slashers being an example. But on the whole if it&#039;s not turning away TOO much from the manga then I can live with it. If I find that despite my best wishes that the anime has disappointed me then I say oh well, pity, the manga may have inspired a kind of expectation and excitement for the anime that may be crushed I was prepared for that to happen. There&#039;s no &#039;perfect&#039; adaptation of manga to anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Claymore, yeah it&#8217;s a little slow and sometimes very monochrome but when I think of the world of Claymore it seems appropriate what with it&#8217;s undertones of &#8216;grey misery. :p I&#8217;ve read most of the manga and still enjoying it, because there&#8217;s so much going on, and I just tend to like stories with subplots, provided they&#8217;re all linked to the main one. Monster was another slow one many sublplots but with both once the action started it really kicked off; moments of stillness and the sudden rush of blood and violence. LOL at Clare&#8217;s interests being elsewhere. Don&#8217;t tell the Galatea fanboys, I don&#8217;t think they could bear it if her interests were also &#8216;elsewhere&#8217;. XD With the manga the fight scenes were good but the fight between Teresa, Irene, Priscilla, Noel and Sophia I loved. Irene&#8217;s fighting style really comes to life on screen. There&#8217;s only so much you can do with a pen. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that if I love the manga and there&#8217;s a anime adaptation out there I&#8217;ll give it a go. I know there&#8217;ll be sometimes little changes here and there; certain things said by characters omitted &#8211; the Claymore ep The Slashers being an example. But on the whole if it&#8217;s not turning away TOO much from the manga then I can live with it. If I find that despite my best wishes that the anime has disappointed me then I say oh well, pity, the manga may have inspired a kind of expectation and excitement for the anime that may be crushed I was prepared for that to happen. There&#8217;s no &#8216;perfect&#8217; adaptation of manga to anime.</p>
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		<title>By: The manga curse, pt.1-FLCL &#171; Claiming Ground</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2007/06/23/the-difference-between-original-anime-and-manga-adaptations-soul/#comment-8757</link>
		<dc:creator>The manga curse, pt.1-FLCL &#171; Claiming Ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] favourites in the transition between very different mediums. From the other angle (as covered by bateszi) the anime viewer may wish that more stuff was actually designed for the screen, not transferred [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The End of the World &#187; Clannad 2 and 3 and musings on adaptations</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2007/06/23/the-difference-between-original-anime-and-manga-adaptations-soul/#comment-3304</link>
		<dc:creator>The End of the World &#187; Clannad 2 and 3 and musings on adaptations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and manga-based examples I know, but hopefully you get the idea. Completely original works can be whatever they like without feeling tethered to what inspired them, such as Dennou Coil, which can lead to very good things indeed. With adaptations, especially those [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and manga-based examples I know, but hopefully you get the idea. Completely original works can be whatever they like without feeling tethered to what inspired them, such as Dennou Coil, which can lead to very good things indeed. With adaptations, especially those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Xerox</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2007/06/23/the-difference-between-original-anime-and-manga-adaptations-soul/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator>Xerox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was reading through the first half of you post, I was think &quot;Hagaren is a total exception.&quot; Glad you mentioned it as one of the better adaptations. I&#039;m still all for the manga though. 

I&#039;m a bit late to the party, but here&#039;s my two cents: I started watching D.Gray Man recently. When I ran out of episodes, I went to read the manga. Boy, what a difference there. I enjoyed the anime because I thought it was quite original, but it paled in comparison to the manga. Was it really lacking soul? Yeah, I&#039;d have to say so. 

Original anime does have it&#039;s perks. Darker Than Black and Gurren Lagann are two of my favorite series right now. What I truly enjoyed about both of these two series is that feeling, that immense feeling you get. Perhaps I&#039;ve lost too many of my marbles, but Gurren Lagann makes me feel like I&#039;m on top of the world. Darker Than Black has almost the same affect, albeit with a darker undertone. They pull my emotions all over the place and it&#039;s just beautiful.

Manga usually has this affect on me too. One of the manga-anime series that disappointed me so much was Fruits Basket. I got in the manga, read everything that came out and then came the anime. God, it was slightly painful to watch.

Dennou Coil I&#039;ve seen a few episodes off. It&#039;s not that I&#039;m not interested, in fact I thought it was pretty impressive. Something&#039;s just rubbing me the wrong way about that series. I&#039;m persistent though, against my own will, I&#039;m going to keep watching it. 

I&#039;ve yet to read the Claymore manga because they say the story is identical to the manga. It&#039;s already 73 chapters and I&#039;m far too lazy to read it. The thing about Claymore is, I wasn&#039;t that interested until I saw a screenshot of episode 12 and decided that a kiss was worth my time. And Claymore was pretty good for what it&#039;s worth, more than I expected. Now that you bring to my attention that Clare isn&#039;t supposed to be romantically interested in men, it kinda drove me off ever really reading the manga. I&#039;m all for heterosexual...ness...in things...

So, to stop my late ramblings on the subject, I have to agree, agree, agree, agree. There is something about originality and taking a risk of putting it out there that&#039;s remarkable about anime (and the original mangas) that a lot of the spin offs lack. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was reading through the first half of you post, I was think &quot;Hagaren is a total exception.&quot; Glad you mentioned it as one of the better adaptations. I&#8217;m still all for the manga though. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit late to the party, but here&#8217;s my two cents: I started watching D.Gray Man recently. When I ran out of episodes, I went to read the manga. Boy, what a difference there. I enjoyed the anime because I thought it was quite original, but it paled in comparison to the manga. Was it really lacking soul? Yeah, I&#8217;d have to say so. </p>
<p>Original anime does have it&#8217;s perks. Darker Than Black and Gurren Lagann are two of my favorite series right now. What I truly enjoyed about both of these two series is that feeling, that immense feeling you get. Perhaps I&#8217;ve lost too many of my marbles, but Gurren Lagann makes me feel like I&#8217;m on top of the world. Darker Than Black has almost the same affect, albeit with a darker undertone. They pull my emotions all over the place and it&#8217;s just beautiful.</p>
<p>Manga usually has this affect on me too. One of the manga-anime series that disappointed me so much was Fruits Basket. I got in the manga, read everything that came out and then came the anime. God, it was slightly painful to watch.</p>
<p>Dennou Coil I&#8217;ve seen a few episodes off. It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m not interested, in fact I thought it was pretty impressive. Something&#8217;s just rubbing me the wrong way about that series. I&#8217;m persistent though, against my own will, I&#8217;m going to keep watching it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve yet to read the Claymore manga because they say the story is identical to the manga. It&#8217;s already 73 chapters and I&#8217;m far too lazy to read it. The thing about Claymore is, I wasn&#8217;t that interested until I saw a screenshot of episode 12 and decided that a kiss was worth my time. And Claymore was pretty good for what it&#8217;s worth, more than I expected. Now that you bring to my attention that Clare isn&#8217;t supposed to be romantically interested in men, it kinda drove me off ever really reading the manga. I&#8217;m all for heterosexual&#8230;ness&#8230;in things&#8230;</p>
<p>So, to stop my late ramblings on the subject, I have to agree, agree, agree, agree. There is something about originality and taking a risk of putting it out there that&#8217;s remarkable about anime (and the original mangas) that a lot of the spin offs lack.</p>
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		<title>By: Hige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm my passion for Bokurano has rapidly waned with recent episodes, but it isn&#039;t specifically because it isn&#039;t a showy (technically speaking) anime. It just lacks the emotional punch that makes the manga so involving. There&#039;s too much whimsy without being genuinely disturbing to offset it. I&#039;ve had maybe two or three moments of going &#039;oh god&#039; while watching -- in comparison to the countless while reading the manga.

Still, I get your points. A lot of manga adaptations are as much marketing as they are &#039;art&#039; (case in point: most Jump manga anime), and original anime often has a deeper understanding of the medium. But personally I think it&#039;s ineptitude on the part of the anime production companies when making piss-poor manga adaptations rather than them being inherently inferior. 

Often it seems they completely miss the point of what makes the manga so good, and I mean in a fundamental (often purely emotional) sense. Aesthetically I&#039;m completely open to changes the directors want to make for the sake of making a good visual story, assuming they honour/understand the underlying &#039;sense&#039; of the original work. Mushishi and Honey &amp; Clover are good examples of this, I think. The tone of their anime counter-parts is quite different from the manga, but the humanity that makes the originals so compelling is nailed spectacularly.

Which is why I sympathise with the director of Bakurano&#039;s comments. Judging by the general aesthetical tweeness of the finished product he may well have made it horrendous given a completely free-reign, but honouring the differences between anime and manga is where I think you&#039;ll find a successful adaptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm my passion for Bokurano has rapidly waned with recent episodes, but it isn&#8217;t specifically because it isn&#8217;t a showy (technically speaking) anime. It just lacks the emotional punch that makes the manga so involving. There&#8217;s too much whimsy without being genuinely disturbing to offset it. I&#8217;ve had maybe two or three moments of going &#8216;oh god&#8217; while watching &#8212; in comparison to the countless while reading the manga.</p>
<p>Still, I get your points. A lot of manga adaptations are as much marketing as they are &#8216;art&#8217; (case in point: most Jump manga anime), and original anime often has a deeper understanding of the medium. But personally I think it&#8217;s ineptitude on the part of the anime production companies when making piss-poor manga adaptations rather than them being inherently inferior. </p>
<p>Often it seems they completely miss the point of what makes the manga so good, and I mean in a fundamental (often purely emotional) sense. Aesthetically I&#8217;m completely open to changes the directors want to make for the sake of making a good visual story, assuming they honour/understand the underlying &#8217;sense&#8217; of the original work. Mushishi and Honey &amp; Clover are good examples of this, I think. The tone of their anime counter-parts is quite different from the manga, but the humanity that makes the originals so compelling is nailed spectacularly.</p>
<p>Which is why I sympathise with the director of Bakurano&#8217;s comments. Judging by the general aesthetical tweeness of the finished product he may well have made it horrendous given a completely free-reign, but honouring the differences between anime and manga is where I think you&#8217;ll find a successful adaptation.</p>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2007/06/23/the-difference-between-original-anime-and-manga-adaptations-soul/#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Owen S: I&#039;d describe both Bokurano and Claymore as mediocre adaptations due to their fairly lackluster animation, unremarkable soundtracks and languid pace. I know this may be sounding harsh since there is nothing outright wrong with either series, but then, there is nothing outright great about them either - which is my main concern, and this is especially the case when you compare them with such an energetic and lively original anime like Dennou Coil.

Despite what I&#039;ve said above, I&#039;m enjoying both of these adaptations, but neither appear to carry that visceral appeal shared by the greatest anime. I guess I&#039;m trying to say there is no spark. Even you describe them as &quot;solid&quot;. Same thing happened with BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad; it was fun to watch, but a few years later, it&#039;s forgotten. Not the case with Monster or Planetes, which are both superior adaptations, especially compared with Claymore and Bokurano. 

It&#039;s not really a placebo, I&#039;m just separating exciting creativity from what amounts to &#039;solid&#039; entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Owen S: I&#8217;d describe both Bokurano and Claymore as mediocre adaptations due to their fairly lackluster animation, unremarkable soundtracks and languid pace. I know this may be sounding harsh since there is nothing outright wrong with either series, but then, there is nothing outright great about them either &#8211; which is my main concern, and this is especially the case when you compare them with such an energetic and lively original anime like Dennou Coil.</p>
<p>Despite what I&#8217;ve said above, I&#8217;m enjoying both of these adaptations, but neither appear to carry that visceral appeal shared by the greatest anime. I guess I&#8217;m trying to say there is no spark. Even you describe them as &quot;solid&quot;. Same thing happened with BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad; it was fun to watch, but a few years later, it&#8217;s forgotten. Not the case with Monster or Planetes, which are both superior adaptations, especially compared with Claymore and Bokurano. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really a placebo, I&#8217;m just separating exciting creativity from what amounts to &#8217;solid&#8217; entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2007/06/23/the-difference-between-original-anime-and-manga-adaptations-soul/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it. Again, though, have you ever considered how much of that might have been placebo, e.g. a mental issue, for you? I&#039;ve got no issues with the pacing of Claymore or Bokurano as it is, and it seems like your perception of adaptations, even solid ones, are skewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it. Again, though, have you ever considered how much of that might have been placebo, e.g. a mental issue, for you? I&#8217;ve got no issues with the pacing of Claymore or Bokurano as it is, and it seems like your perception of adaptations, even solid ones, are skewed.</p>
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		<title>By: jahanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>jahanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, agree man. I always wondered why i prefer manga to anime, and it always came down to the quality of work.

To be honest, I think some of the worst adaptation came from brilliant manga. That&#039;s coz the producer wants to capture all the grandiose of the manga but couldn&#039;t. Classical examples? Clamp works. The producer seriously messed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, agree man. I always wondered why i prefer manga to anime, and it always came down to the quality of work.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think some of the worst adaptation came from brilliant manga. That&#8217;s coz the producer wants to capture all the grandiose of the manga but couldn&#8217;t. Classical examples? Clamp works. The producer seriously messed up.</p>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
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		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ivy: I do think the Claymore adaptation is fairly decent, albeit fairly slow. My main point is that with shows like Gurren Laggan, Dennou Coil and even Darker Than Black, there is a strong spirit and passion behind the animation. As ever, Madhouse are doing a fine job with Claymore, but it definitely feels like another one out of the factory rather than something that I absolutely need to see. As for your recommendation of sola, well, it&#039;s not usually my kind of thing but I may give it a go based on your words of praise.

@kauldron26: It took me a while to get into Darker Than Black, actually, I&#039;ve only started to enjoy it since episodes 9 and 10 (the mafia arc with the freaky blood guy). Better than all the others, that one arc managed to blend humor, action and dark drama and for once it used some proper Yoko Kanno music! Up until those episodes the soundtrack was a massive disappointment considering Yoko Kanno is basically a god.

Also, on the issue of hype. I haven&#039;t seen any of those series! I tried to watch Haruhi, but the truth is that at that time, there&#039;s no way I could have enjoyed it considering all the bull-shit praise that was surrounding the series. I&#039;m saving it for a time when the fanboys have something else to cry about.

@Veggies: I&#039;m looking forward to seeing where Claymore goes in the future. It has got epic medieval adventure written all over it, I just hope, like you, the animation gets a little better and perhaps the pace of the story is ramped up a notch or two. I absolutely love the look of &quot;The Awakened&quot; and the &quot;Yoma&quot; in general; fearsome monsters, not some cute crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ivy: I do think the Claymore adaptation is fairly decent, albeit fairly slow. My main point is that with shows like Gurren Laggan, Dennou Coil and even Darker Than Black, there is a strong spirit and passion behind the animation. As ever, Madhouse are doing a fine job with Claymore, but it definitely feels like another one out of the factory rather than something that I absolutely need to see. As for your recommendation of sola, well, it&#8217;s not usually my kind of thing but I may give it a go based on your words of praise.</p>
<p>@kauldron26: It took me a while to get into Darker Than Black, actually, I&#8217;ve only started to enjoy it since episodes 9 and 10 (the mafia arc with the freaky blood guy). Better than all the others, that one arc managed to blend humor, action and dark drama and for once it used some proper Yoko Kanno music! Up until those episodes the soundtrack was a massive disappointment considering Yoko Kanno is basically a god.</p>
<p>Also, on the issue of hype. I haven&#8217;t seen any of those series! I tried to watch Haruhi, but the truth is that at that time, there&#8217;s no way I could have enjoyed it considering all the bull-shit praise that was surrounding the series. I&#8217;m saving it for a time when the fanboys have something else to cry about.</p>
<p>@Veggies: I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing where Claymore goes in the future. It has got epic medieval adventure written all over it, I just hope, like you, the animation gets a little better and perhaps the pace of the story is ramped up a notch or two. I absolutely love the look of &quot;The Awakened&quot; and the &quot;Yoma&quot; in general; fearsome monsters, not some cute crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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