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		<title>By: TTChoppa</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2006/09/05/elitism-within-anime-circles/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>TTChoppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Har, good points, I have kinda fell foul of the dub slating and i was quiet annoyed? by the whole naruto on uk tv thing, mainly because i didnt like the idea of people seeing it for what it really was, if that makes any sense. I mean, the onepiece dub is notorious in its butchering, not that i actually saw it myself but after reading up on it and then checking episodes its just... ugh, horrible.

But, i think im growing out of my elitist phase, i mean i can nod my head when i hear a good dub... things like bebop, flcl, abenobashi... they work. That said you still get those series where it feels like they havent hired &quot;actors&quot; as such, things that are so american it makes you cringe, e.g. happy lesson.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Har, good points, I have kinda fell foul of the dub slating and i was quiet annoyed? by the whole naruto on uk tv thing, mainly because i didnt like the idea of people seeing it for what it really was, if that makes any sense. I mean, the onepiece dub is notorious in its butchering, not that i actually saw it myself but after reading up on it and then checking episodes its just&#8230; ugh, horrible.</p>
<p>But, i think im growing out of my elitist phase, i mean i can nod my head when i hear a good dub&#8230; things like bebop, flcl, abenobashi&#8230; they work. That said you still get those series where it feels like they havent hired &quot;actors&quot; as such, things that are so american it makes you cringe, e.g. happy lesson.</p>
<p>my 2peneth &#8211; christ what a bump too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Estara</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2006/09/05/elitism-within-anime-circles/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Estara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>off-topic: cool bit about being able to upload an avatar. I couldn&#039;t resist.

My &quot;favourite&quot; elitism of the moment (although I do learn a bit from it) is the writing-in-Japanese of sentences and words in text and title and NOT explain (not even via mouseover) what&#039;s written there.

Yup ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off-topic: cool bit about being able to upload an avatar. I couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
<p>My &quot;favourite&quot; elitism of the moment (although I do learn a bit from it) is the writing-in-Japanese of sentences and words in text and title and NOT explain (not even via mouseover) what&#8217;s written there.</p>
<p>Yup ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2006/09/05/elitism-within-anime-circles/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about &quot;Evangelion is a marvelous, fantastic (insert a thousand adjectives here) piece of art and if you can&#039;t understand it, it&#039;s because you&#039;re a dumbass who just can&#039;t appreciate its beauty and the intrincate plot it has&quot;? Because I&#039;ve seen that a lot :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &quot;Evangelion is a marvelous, fantastic (insert a thousand adjectives here) piece of art and if you can&#8217;t understand it, it&#8217;s because you&#8217;re a dumbass who just can&#8217;t appreciate its beauty and the intrincate plot it has&quot;? Because I&#8217;ve seen that a lot <img src='http://www.bateszi.me/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bateszi</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2006/09/05/elitism-within-anime-circles/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>bateszi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; tj han: While these &quot;elitisms&quot; discussed have been talked about to death, I don&#039;t see how the final point is one. Isn&#039;t it more a matter of picking the superior product?

I&#039;ll agree with you if your domestic DVDs are of seriously inferior quality (we&#039;re talking sub-standard picture, dub-only etc). If your being needlessly picky - like constantly importing due to release dates or cover-art - then I see it as a case of elitism, since your importing is an intentional snub to your local DVD industry. As an anime fan, you&#039;re in a position to help spread the word to the rest of your countrymen - by sending your money abroad you&#039;re ading in the limitation of your industry, essentially cutting off the majority of anime fandom from its most basic of sources; and in turn, preventing others from potentially becoming anime fans. That&#039;s where I see the elitism. Consistently importing is an attempt to starve your local industry of finance; without your support they will never improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; tj han: While these &quot;elitisms&quot; discussed have been talked about to death, I don&#8217;t see how the final point is one. Isn&#8217;t it more a matter of picking the superior product?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you if your domestic DVDs are of seriously inferior quality (we&#8217;re talking sub-standard picture, dub-only etc). If your being needlessly picky &#8211; like constantly importing due to release dates or cover-art &#8211; then I see it as a case of elitism, since your importing is an intentional snub to your local DVD industry. As an anime fan, you&#8217;re in a position to help spread the word to the rest of your countrymen &#8211; by sending your money abroad you&#8217;re ading in the limitation of your industry, essentially cutting off the majority of anime fandom from its most basic of sources; and in turn, preventing others from potentially becoming anime fans. That&#8217;s where I see the elitism. Consistently importing is an attempt to starve your local industry of finance; without your support they will never improve.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.bateszi.me/2006/09/05/elitism-within-anime-circles/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you forget the &quot;lol you watch naruto&quot; or &quot;lol you watch dbz&quot; sort of elitism. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you forget the &quot;lol you watch naruto&quot; or &quot;lol you watch dbz&quot; sort of elitism.</p>
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		<title>By: wontaek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wontaek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about, &#039; I don&#039;t know you, so you must be a nobody? &#039; Some people, especially those who belongs to an anime club, just because I asked them some questions, presumes that their knowledge is far superior, when, in reality, I have been watching anime and organizing various club activities before they were even conceived in their mother&#039;s womb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about, &#8216; I don&#8217;t know you, so you must be a nobody? &#8216; Some people, especially those who belongs to an anime club, just because I asked them some questions, presumes that their knowledge is far superior, when, in reality, I have been watching anime and organizing various club activities before they were even conceived in their mother&#8217;s womb.</p>
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		<title>By: berz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, and i was reminiscent of watching nadesico this very morning o_0. on a second though.. its not a bad idea... since i saw the 60mb realmedia ones y&#039;know? heh

at least its not cgspaceship[e.g. archangel-gundamseed] + dull background ^^

btw, ruriÂ² ftw :3
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, and i was reminiscent of watching nadesico this very morning o_0. on a second though.. its not a bad idea&#8230; since i saw the 60mb realmedia ones y&#8217;know? heh</p>
<p>at least its not cgspaceship[e.g. archangel-gundamseed] + dull background ^^</p>
<p>btw, ruriÂ² ftw :3</p>
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		<title>By: Lenners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there also &quot;I&#039;m watching this ultra elite new show called The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi (or any new anime) and you&#039;re still watching Inuyasha? What a n00b!&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there also &quot;I&#8217;m watching this ultra elite new show called The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi (or any new anime) and you&#8217;re still watching Inuyasha? What a n00b!&quot;?</p>
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		<title>By: berz</title>
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		<dc:creator>berz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flooding: let&#039;s just call darkmirage here and start another dorama? hehehheheheh

oh~ the flames  mwahahah </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flooding: let&#8217;s just call darkmirage here and start another dorama? hehehheheheh</p>
<p>oh~ the flames  mwahahah</p>
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		<title>By: berz</title>
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		<dc:creator>berz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve started with anime with... lemme see.... macross... or robotech... i was too young to remember that =p.. also a bit of doraemon and some time after.. saint seiya and dragon ball (not z). were they great? not really.

there was also the hype about watching yuyuhakusho... well, i really liked the show... but school got me and i went without watching the last two eps for a few years hehehe (got myself a copy of those eps only hmmm 10years after?). i admit there&#039;s nothing like &#039;1st time&#039; but.. other shows have proven themselves quite entertaining. 

now... about that part about old school... its not like that=p
for me, old anime have some naive elements that u dont see around anymore(read innocent) so if there&#039;s a good story... the anime is good. even if the animation is not that great. now pick some random anime of the last 3~4 years.... even crap looks good with good package y&#039;know?. yeah, cg cg cg, wtf.            i&#039;m not saying there&#039;s only crap nowadays. they do have great aspects that u dont see on old animes. but its a reflection of the society. anime will look different in 5~10 years again. but crappy anime... old fansubs groups did a better &#039;pick up&#039; when subbing... now u get to see even the most swallow fanservice subbed o_0  and that great anime with good story and stuff is too boring for them.

bah. regardless... like ppl who dont watch anime says: &quot;quit complaining, u&#039;re just complaining about cartoons anyway&quot; so lets stop here

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ah, i&#039;m also a purist about dubbing. but just for some reference... portuguese(brazil) CardCaptorSakura didn&#039;t go &#039;hoeeee&#039; =( 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve started with anime with&#8230; lemme see&#8230;. macross&#8230; or robotech&#8230; i was too young to remember that =p.. also a bit of doraemon and some time after.. saint seiya and dragon ball (not z). were they great? not really.</p>
<p>there was also the hype about watching yuyuhakusho&#8230; well, i really liked the show&#8230; but school got me and i went without watching the last two eps for a few years hehehe (got myself a copy of those eps only hmmm 10years after?). i admit there&#8217;s nothing like &#8216;1st time&#8217; but.. other shows have proven themselves quite entertaining. </p>
<p>now&#8230; about that part about old school&#8230; its not like that=p<br />
for me, old anime have some naive elements that u dont see around anymore(read innocent) so if there&#8217;s a good story&#8230; the anime is good. even if the animation is not that great. now pick some random anime of the last 3~4 years&#8230;. even crap looks good with good package y&#8217;know?. yeah, cg cg cg, wtf.            i&#8217;m not saying there&#8217;s only crap nowadays. they do have great aspects that u dont see on old animes. but its a reflection of the society. anime will look different in 5~10 years again. but crappy anime&#8230; old fansubs groups did a better &#8216;pick up&#8217; when subbing&#8230; now u get to see even the most swallow fanservice subbed o_0  and that great anime with good story and stuff is too boring for them.</p>
<p>bah. regardless&#8230; like ppl who dont watch anime says: &quot;quit complaining, u&#8217;re just complaining about cartoons anyway&quot; so lets stop here</p>
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<p>ah, i&#8217;m also a purist about dubbing. but just for some reference&#8230; portuguese(brazil) CardCaptorSakura didn&#8217;t go &#8216;hoeeee&#8217; =(</p>
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